Russell Wilson Thread (2017-)

If you guys have time or interest, I’d be interested in hearing your comments about the pass protection in all the sacks Wilson took in 2017:

To what extent do you think this is Wilson’s fault?

Some things that I think are important:

1. Look at the number of pass rushers. It seems to me that the vast majority have four rushers, some three or five. Almost none are all-out blitzes. Do you guys have the same impression?

2. Show me a defense that can consistently generate good pressure/hits/sacks with four pass rushers, and I’ll show you a dominant defense. The Seahawks turned every opponent into a dominant defense!

3. Obviously this doesn’t include instances when Wilson avoided a sack despite bad protection. I wouldn’t be surprised if these plays equal the number of sacks, if not exceed it.

4. The number of plays where the OL provides really good to really good pass protection is important. Let’s say out of 30 pass plays per game, on average, 20 are good to very good, five are so-so, and the other five are awful. That might not be so bad. If you give a QB consistently good pass protection, I think he can deal with the few instances of bad pass protection. Having said that, my guess is if we were to show the instances of good to really good pass protection that number would be really small in comparison to instances of bad, really bad pass pro.

23 thoughts on “Russell Wilson Thread (2017-)

  1. This is collection of all the drops by Jimmy Graham in 2017. I’m putting that here because there’s an incredible scramble and throw (at the :50 mark) by Wilson.* The catch wasn’t easy, but I think Graham should have held on. It ruined a great play by Wilson.

    (*Note to Mitchell. My original sentences: “This is collection of all the drops by Jimmy Graham in 2017. Why am I putting that here? I’m putting that here because…” I kind of like this version better.

    Revision to avoid using a question: “The following is a cut-up of all Jimmy Graham’s dropped passes in 2017, which I wouldn’t normally include in this thread, but am because of one incredible play by Wilson at the :50 mark.”)

  2. …although I would also suggest you not use “the following…” or “the above…” They’re almost always unnecessary.

  3. I’m not sure it’s less work. The first and third sentence took me the longest to compose. I don’t really care for the flow of the those sentences.

    And, yes, Yankees acquired the rights to Wilson.

  4. Holy moly. Russwell Wilson is the best QB throwing while running to his left. It’s amazing, defies physics, better than Jim Harbaugh’s rolling to the right and throwing off his back foot.

  5. I forgot the Seahawks were down 10-23 in the 4th, with about 9 minutes left.

    This was a great performance, but the one against Chicago, in Chicago, is the one that really got my attention. I remember having the improbable sensation–“This guy is reminding me of Montana!”

  6. 2018-2019: Week 10 vs. the Rams

    After the Charger loss the week before, I dialed me expectations way down for this game. I even saw, accidently, a tweet that strongly suggested the Seahawks lost the game.

    What was the most disconcerting was the way Wilson played on the last drive, which could have won the game. The 4th down play was especially dispiriting, as my initial reaction was to put the blame on Wilson. It might have been a difficult throw, but he’s got to make that–is what I thought. It’s a sucky feeling when you have to admit your favorite player didn’t play well, especially in a clutch moment.

    Here’s a take that casts that play in a different light:

    I admit, I’m happy to find an explanation that lets Wilson off the hook, at least a little. Ultimately, I think he still has to make this play, and he might deserve blame on the previous plays.

  7. This throw was crazy, but he’s had some other similar ones–like a 4th down deep ball that went for a TD. Also, last week he had a deep pass on 3rd and long in OT, with the Seahawks backed up near their end zone. (Unfortunately, a holding penalty negated that play.)

  8. I thought the TD pass he threw at the end was the better throw. Running to his left, throwing across his body into a space the receiver could get to but the defender couldn’t. I think the receiver made it a tougher catch than it should have been, but Wilson knew where his guy could get it.

    But yeah, this was a very pretty throw. That high arc!

    1. The situation was big, though. They were only up by 3 and it was 2 and 12. The coverage was also good; it couldn’t be that much better.

      As for the arc, Wilson was channeling Jeff Blake.

  9. Some say that Wilson is the best deep ball passer, and while I think that may be the case this season, the one that makes me hesitate is how he has a tendency to underthrow his passes. Of all the great deep passers of all time, I feel like he underthrows the ball more than any of them. I’m especially thinking of situations where the WR is wide open and has to slow their stride. To me, the greatest deep passers hit the WR so they don’t have to break their stride much.

    By the way, my theory is that Wilson does this because he wants to make sure he completes the pass. In other words, it’s sort of a conservative mindset, almost as if he’s afraid to overthrow the pass in those situations. In a way, the decision is sound, and if this reduces overthrows, then I’d be for it. Still, I feel like other great deep passing QBs don’t underthrow their WRs as much.

  10. What’s impressive about this is not just the quality of the blocks (some of them aren’t great, though), and willingness to block, but the hustle involved. And some of these blocks were crucial to helping the run.

  11. Just a small anecdote, I heard from Gee Scott (20:30 minute mark), a Seattle radio sports personality. He said he recently had lunch with Brandon Mebane, a DT who played for Seattle and now plays for the Chargers. According to Scott, Mebane sad that Phillip Rivers is a “bad boy”–in practice and in games–when things are going right. But there’s nobody better in the game, when things are going wrong, than Russell Wilson. It sounds like Mebane means when the team or Russ is not playing well or facing a bad circumstance, no one is better at dealing with this than Russ. If so, I tend to agree with this. In terms of the mental party of handling adversity, I seems really great at this, and maybe one of the best I’ve seen.

  12. In the first clip, one of the things that stands out is the degree of difficulty of the passes during really pressure-packed situations. 2nd and 12 may not seem that critical, but in the 4th versus KC, 3:00 minutes left with only a 3 point lead, that was huge. The pass had to be perfect. (Also, the WRs are making some difficult catches as well.)

    1. Hahahahha. I wonder if the coaches knew he lost contact. It would be funny if they kept sending in plays and seeing Wilson execute something entirely different.

      Also, maybe Aaron Rodgers could take a lesson from this. If he doesn’t like the play the coach sends in, he could call his own play and tell the coach his helmet stopped working.

    2. I would guess the coaches knew it wasn’t working, but it would be funny if they didn’t and kept giving him plays. (Schottenheimer: “Russ what the heck?”)

      Also, maybe Aaron Rodgers could take a lesson from this. If he doesn’t like the play the coach sends in, he could call his own play and tell the coach his helmet stopped working.

      I get the sense he does this, even with the headsets working.

  13. The Seahawks beat the Vikings. Wilson didn’t have a really noteworthy game, but the Seahawks ran for 43 times for 200+ yards. I love what Russ said:

    Quarterback Russell Wilson said the number of runs was in part because of the way the Vikings decided to play defense.

    “ They kept playing two-high shell super deep,” Wilson said. “They didn’t want any shots thrown on them. So we just said, ‘OK, we’ll run it. We’ll do what we do really well.’ “

    This is such a great attitude for a QB to have–especially one who has the ability to be more than a game-manager. I love, love, love this. I could care less about if he didn’t have gaudy stats. I got the sense the Vikings were giving the Seahawks the run, and I wanted the latter to keeping pounding the ball. Do you think Rodgers would ever do this? I doubt it–and that’s a significant weakness in my opinion. (Brady would, especially now.)

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