Experiences and Observations on Twitter

A thread to post thoughts about twitter, the medium, and also one’s experiences using the medium. I’ll start with something that bugs me. I’ve complained about the snark before, but I just wanted to mention one specific person, the progressive writer/journalist, Matthew Igleias. Here’s a sample:

I agree with his point, but I feel like 3/4 of his tweets contain this sort of sarcasm. It’s so annoying. (I actually chose to follow him early on, and put him on one of my politics lists, but I’ve dropped him from the latter, and have been waffling on unfollowing him.) I just don’t like the snark on twitter in general, but when it’s so excessive it’s also hard to know when the person isn’t being ironic. It’s a shame because he seems like a smart guy, who has interesting points to make.

By the way, bringing this up makes me think about why I don’t like snark. Would I not like this outside of twitter? I’m not sure. I think the equivalent of snark offline would sneering with an air of superiority and even condescension. Put that way, no I wouldn’t like that offline or in other media. Perhaps not all expressions of snark is like that, or at least the difference between snark and more good-natured irony can be fuzzy, the latter being something I’d have less problems with and might even enjoy.

33 thoughts on “Experiences and Observations on Twitter

  1. Quick Way to Make Money as a Pundit

    This article from TheWeek discusses the way, more conspiratorial-minded anti-Trumpers are fooling people and personally profiting from this. What I wanted to point out is that most of the people I follow on twitter are actively using twitter to promote themselves and their ideas, elevating their status and authority, in the hopes that this will translate into TV appearances and/or book sales. I don’t know this for sure, but it seems very obvious to me.

    Now, this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but I wanted to make this point in response to the article: If the author is going use the word “grift,” he should use that for non-liberals as well. To be fair, he’s focusing on people that don’t deserve attention and financial profit because of their shoddy thinking. That’s fair–people with shoddy views shouldn’t receive a lot of attention, status, or authority.

    In addition to shoddy thinking, including conspiracy thinking, I’m concerned about the way smart people use things other than their expertise or unique insights to gain a wider audience. For example, the use of snarky zingers and cat pictures to endear one’s self to others. One pattern I’ve noticed: People will pick and choose dumb, often insulting tweets to respond to with a witty comeback. It can be fun to read those, but I also notice that the estimation of the person can grow because of this, and I don’t think that’s really a good thing. It’s like the cool kids in high school that become popular because of how they put down others. Additionally, I think good questions and critiques can easily be ignored or muted/blocked. That’s probably not a good thing for the pundits.

    Overall, I don’t think I have a big problem with all of this. I do feel a little uncomfortable by some of the dynamics, though.

  2. I Don’t Think Most Pundits Want Serious Feedback

    …Unless it is the positive, reaffirming type. The situation reminds me a workplace situation where management says they welcome critical feedback, as long as employees offer solutions. In my experience, management may genuinely believe this when they say this, but when employees offer solutions that address criticisms they raise, management resents this, at least on some level. This is especially true if the solutions actually have merit. I have a sense this is the same for pundits/experts on twitter. Like the workplace, I suspect there are exceptions, but those exceptions prove tend to prove the rule.

  3. Do most pundits even ask for serious feedbacki? I can’t think of a time anyone I read or watch asked for critique from his or her audience.

  4. I can’t recall them specifically asking for feedback, but I get the sense that they would welcome some (thoughtful) feedback on specific articles. This is supported by the sneering comments they get from asinine responses. Also, if I recall correctly, some of them have explicitly said that they wouldn’t mind criticism if it were thoughtful, etc.

  5. Wait, so is your disappointment more related to them not wanting feedback, or to some of them asking for it and not receiving it well?

  6. It’s more of the latter. Like some managers, they may believe they want constructive criticisms, with good solutions, but most people don’t. I suspect that the better the solution, the more management will resent the person offering it.

  7. Are you speaking about something specific here? Like, did you send George Will a DM and get something nasty back from him?

  8. No, nothing like that happened to me personally. Another reason I’ve said what I’ve said. The responses (often snarky) to dumb tweets seems to far outnumber the responses to thoughtful tweets. And it seems even rarer for a response to a really good tweet that rebuts the pundit’s position. I find that those tweets are often ignored–and that’s disappointing. That’s precisely the tweets I wish the pundits would prioritize–even if the response is a concession. (Indeed, my respect would grow for the pundit who responded in that way.) I’m interested in reading good discussion, far more than good rejoinders. (The latter can be entertaining, but there’s too much of that relative to the type of response I’d like to see.) To be clear, I’m thinking of tweets in general, not specifically my own.

  9. I think about a guy like Chris Cillizza, whose CNN analysis I find smart and insightful, not to mention well-explained, and I don’t imagine he’s actually looking for constructive feedback. He was hired at CNN (presumably) because they like the work he did at WaPo’s The Fix. His Twitter presence and persona are already well known; I’m sure it’s one reason CNN went after him.

    His employer is CNN, and he knows what they hired him to do, and it seems to be working. Maybe feedback to his employer would be a better tack, you know?

    You could tell Mike Trout what you think of his approach in the batter’s box, but I’m not sure why he would care what you or I think.

  10. There are pundits on twitter that aren’t interested in engaging and discussion, but others are. I don’t follow Cillizza, so I can’t comment on him, but I do follow others who actively engage with people who follow them. Some of them also write articles and they will respond to people who comment about the articles. (There are some journalists who do not respond, however.)

  11. The Movie Tastes of Political Pundits and Academics

    I must say that of the people I follow, who give their opinions about movies–I’m a little disappointed. Let’s just say that I wouldn’t call them cinephiles.

  12. Question: I’ve noticed people will tweet passages from books or articles. Some of the time, this comes from a smartphone photo, but other times, it doesn’t seem that way. Instead, it seems like they have some software to cut out a passage? Do you know what I’m talking about? If so, how do I do that?

  13. Phones will copy and paste selected text the way a computer will. Is that what you’re talking about? Embed a tweet with an example and I’ll have a better idea.

  14. That’s just a screen shot of something he read on his smartphone or a screenshot of something he read on his computer. You know how to take a screen shot, yes?

  15. On a smartphone, no. So he’s probably reading off a news app and then just taking a screen shot of that? If so, that means I won’t be able to do that.

    The next step would be taking a picture of a passage from an actual book or newspaper. (Then again, my phone can’t really do this–or at least the image wouldn’t be very good–so I guess I’m out of luck.)

  16. Yeah but you don’t read the news on your phone. Don’t you read it on a computer? And don’t you also use Twitter from a computer?

  17. If you’re on a Windows machine, hit the start button and type “snipping.” The Snipping Tool app will show up. Click that. I keep mine in my taskbar since I use it all the time.

    When the program opens, you can click and drag around the area you want to capture. You’ll be presented with a new window. One of the options is to save the image. Give it a name. Now you have a screen shot of whatever you were reading.

  18. Cool! I will try this! (Is there a website with books–for cutting passages? I assume not every book will be available, but I’d still like to check. I actually wanted to tweet passages from books, more than newspapers.)

  19. If it’s in the public domain, it’s probably available at http://www.bartleby.com. There’s lots of free stuff at https://www.smashwords.com but I have a feeling that’s not what you’re talking about. If your wife has anything good on her Kindle, you can access for reading on the web at http://read.amazon.com but you’ll need her login. And if it’s popular enough you can do a Google search for the title of the book coupled with “PDF” and see if someone has posted an illegal pirated copy of it.

  20. Failing any of that, you can just shoot a photo with your phone or digital camera, then move it to your computer. Don’t worry about quality. If it’s readable it’s all g.

  21. Forms of snark I really dislike

    “If only someone had done “x”…Oh wait”–and then they post a link with “x.”

  22. First of all, to be clear, I’m not saying this is the absolute worst or even far worse than other forms of snark. Second, I’m not sure how to explain why the expression is snarky. Maybe the difference is in how one reads it. For me, I read the the first part with a faux sincere tone. The “oh wait” is a gotcha moment. In general, I find these kind of things tiresome, and often cheap shots. It’s the same thing with zingers in debates.

  23. No, it’s absolutely snarky. I mean, the straightforward approach would just be, “Hey, someone pointed out some time ago that ________.” I just wondered what it was about this one that rubbed you the wrong way, but I can see now that it’s snark in general that does it to you.

  24. I think the issue is the frequency that people use snark, the way it’s used to score points–which fits with sports rivalry approach to politics which I think is so unfruitful to political discourse–and how it can make understanding where a person is coming from difficult. With regard to the latter, I’ve stopped following people because I can never tell when they’re being genuine or sarcastic. It’s annoying.

  25. In this case, though, you can tell when they’re being genuine, right? The writer is basically saying “I told you so” (or more often, “someone told you so”) without using those words. There’s a legit reason to say “I told you so” sometimes, and I think that’s what’s going on here. However, I’m not trying to tell you not to be annoyed. If it annoys you it annoys you.

  26. I don’t think they’re being genuine–not when they say, “If only someone…” They already know that someone pointed out something or whatever. Generally, I think the intention is to point out that the person, or someone else, gave a warning or made a prediction about something–and they’re now gloating and mocking.

    On a related note, I find the more benign forms of “I told you so” situations to be unseemly, in that it sounds childish, and kind of weakens the person’s credibility in my view. In another context–say in a public forum, public speech, a magazine article or book–would really knowledgeable people do this? I tend to think not. Maybe I’m wrong about this, though.

  27. I think what I mean is that there’s really no mistaking this person’s intention, so your not knowing whether to take the person seriously or not doesn’t really apply here, right? It’s a straightforward use of sarcasm. And while I agree that it’s often mocking or gloating, it really doesn’t have to be, and my experience is that it’s not. I think this snarky construction is as much about “we should really pay attention to X” as X’s actual point, wouldn’t you agree? If the person cited is a person of expertise who’s never been wrong about this subject, for example, the tweeter would seem to be saying, “Why aren’t we listening to people who have expertise?”

    Anyway, I don’t think this is really worth hashing out. It annoys you and I respect that. I just don’t find it as annoying as you do.

    “I told you so” is a tricky message. When parents say it, they’re reminding kids that they know something more than the kids know, so that in the future the kids will be more likely (ha!) to heed their parents’ warnings. You may disagree — you’ve said that you want obedience from your kids more than you want them to consider reasons — so maybe it’s consistent that you’d bristle against “I told you so.” I bristle against it because someone’s telling me to do something is often the reason I didn’t do it, not because I merely disregarded advice. 🙂

  28. I think what I mean is that there’s really no mistaking this person’s intention, so your not knowing whether to take the person seriously or not doesn’t really apply here, right? It’s a straightforward use of sarcasm.

    Oh, yeah–I see what you’re saying, and I agree.

    And while I agree that it’s often mocking or gloating, it really doesn’t have to be, and my experience is that it’s not.

    I guess it doesn’t have to be mocking or gloating, but I think the form would be different.

    “I told you so” is a tricky message. When parents say it, they’re reminding kids that they know something more than the kids know,…

    I’m not sure why you’re saying it’s tricky. Pointing out that you know something more than someone else is annoying, right? “I told you so” messages–and here, I’m talking about the tone and attitude as much as the specific words themselves–are almost never helpful. You don’t have to use that approach if you genuinely want to help someone. Indeed, if I genuinely want to help someone, I’ll avoid that approach.

    In the context of twitter, my sense is that people use this to gain credit for themselves–a way to show the world how smart they are. Again, I’m talking specifically about expressions that essentially are “See, I told you so.”

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