Congressional GOP and Fox News Are Worse Than Trump

As I mentioned in the other thread, in a way, I think the Congressional GOP and conservative media outlets (including radio pundits) that either actively enable Trump or largely stand by silently are actually worse than Trump. I actually believe that if they vigorously and vocally opposed Trump, it could actually be a kind of proud moment in our history (or at least mitigate the way Trump has embarrassed and disgraced us), and it could serve as a big blow to authoritarian regimes like Russia. But, alas, something close to the opposite has happened. Like the other thread, I’m going to use this thread as a collection of evidence for this claim. Here’s one I saw today from Fox News’s Sean Hannity:

Edit (1/30/2018)

Edit (2/8/2018)

This is how bad it’s gotten:

(3/5/2018)

3/12/2018

That House GOP in HPSCI putting an end to Russia investigation soon surprises me. I don’t think it would be so fast. The whole thing, especially with Devin Nunes’s antics have been a joke. And Paul Ryan seemed to be OK with all of this. GOP is awful.

Rep. Adam Schiff’s (D) response:

3/20/2018

Colonel Ralph Peters, a commentator on Fox News, has written a damning letter, explaining why he will no longer be working at the outlet. I highly recommend reading it.

Some excerpts:

In my view, Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration. When prime-time hosts–who have never served our country in any capacity–dismiss facts and empirical reality to launch profoundly dishonest assaults on the FBI, the Justice Department, the courts, the intelligence community (in which I served) and, not least, a model public servant and genuine war hero such as Robert Mueller–all the while scaremongering with lurid warnings of “deep-state” machinations– I cannot be part of the same organization, even at a remove. To me, Fox News is now wittingly harming our system of government for profit.

As a Russia analyst for many years, it also has appalled me that hosts who made their reputations as super-patriots and who, justifiably, savaged President Obama for his duplicitous folly with Putin, now advance Putin’s agenda by making light of Russian penetration of our elections and the Trump campaign. Despite increasingly pathetic denials, it turns out that the “nothing-burger” has been covered with Russian dressing all along. And by the way: As an intelligence professional, I can tell you that the Steele dossier rings true–that’s how the Russians do things. The result is that we have an American president who is terrified of his counterpart in Moscow.

(emphasis added)

3/31/2018

4/5/2018

Not sure if this is entirely relevant, but I thought some of the comments were interesting.

4/10/2018

This exchange makes me want to pull my hair out:

I would be really surprised if he’s the only one that feels this way. (Some of Senator Corker’s public statements strongly suggests he’d be at least one other person.) If many Republicans feel this same, here’s one thing that drives me crazy: You have all this talk about the Deep State opposing Trump, you have Trump saying the media is “fake news,” you have Fox News and other conservative pundits pushing this propaganda–and the truth is that many Congressional Republicans actually think Trump is totally unfit, and possibly a danger to the country! If many Congressional Republicans believe Trump is totally unfit, it weakens the claim that the liberal media, “deep state,” or Democrats just hate Trump and are out to get him. But the congressional Republicans who think Trump is unfit allows these narratives to have life, and in my view they jeopardize the republic, and the rule of law.

4/11/2018

Here’s more of the conversation with the GOP Congressman above.

Also, this is irresponsible and reprehensible:

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I’m not sure how Ryan will feel about how he handled himself as Speaker, especially during Trump Presidency, but a part of me genuinely feels sorry for him. If I were in his position and looked back on my time with Trump, I’m not sure I could live comfortably with myself. I can imagine it would be awful.

4/16/2018

4/17/2018

Just leaving this here. Even if Trump doesn’t fire Mueller (or Rosenstein), that McConnell says he woudl be “shocked” if Trump fires Mueller shows poor judgment on his part.

4/26/2018

It’s hard not to see this as a direct result of many Republican politicians and conservative media/pundits–and Donald Trump himself. This is really bad.

5/24/2018

6/19/2018

I agree with pretty much everything in this thread. If McConnell and Ryan and other GOP leaders–if conservative pundits like Hannity, Carlson, Limbaugh–were like Schmidt I’d be very confident we’d get out this mess, and I think we’d come out stronger. Even thought Trump is a stain on our reputation, if the GOP were like Schmidt we could show the world the best of the U.S., and it could be a huge blow to Russia. If only….

6/23/2018

I’m wary of edited video like this as it can be easily done to mislead people. However, this does seem to fit a pattern from Fox News:

Also, I agree with Apatow.

7/3/2018

Some of Hume’s comments to this are troubling as well.

I read this as, Trump can say racist things, but it doesn’t matter because he chose conservative justice. Basically, Trump can say a lot of awful things, and it doesn’t matter if conservative policies are implemented. Hume ignores corruption, undermining of alliances and rule-based international system, zero tolerance immigration policy (or maybe he likes that?), among many other things.

7/6/2018

7/13/2018

My understanding is that Wohl works for Fox News:

7/19/2018

This is depressing. I really hope this applies to a small minority of conservatives. I wonder to what degree this would apply to liberals.

8/6/2018

If the following is truly a “profound dilemma” for GOP, then that’s proof they’ve totally lost their way.

8/15/2018

9/13/2018

This is partly what the tweets are referring to:

9/21/2018

Ornstein has been emotional at times (which isn’t inappropriate given the times), but I still respect him.

McConnell is awful. If Ornstein is wrong, it’s scary to think of who caused more destruction.

10/8/2018

That it is necessary to place limitations, including self-limitations, on the exercise of power is—or was—a core belief among conservatives. No longer. Raw power, wielded so deftly by Senator Mitch McConnell, is exercised for its own sake, and by that I mean for the sake of fleecing gullible voters on hot-button social issues so that Republicans may stay in power. Of course, the institutional GOP will say that it countenances all of Trump’s many sins, and its own straying from principle, for good reason (including, of course, the holy grail of ending legal abortion).

Politics is about the exercise of power. But the new Trumpist GOP is not exercising power in the pursuit of anything resembling principle, and certainly not for conservative or Republican principles.

11/28/2018

12/12/2018

12/14/2018

Addendum: Somewhat positive sign.

5 thoughts on “Congressional GOP and Fox News Are Worse Than Trump

  1. Conservatives like Nicole Wallace and Charlie Sykes are really important, as I’ve been saying, but I just want to be clear-eyed about this. I say that Fox News and conservative pundits support Trump because of money, but some anti-Trump conservatives in the media can also benefit financially from their stance. They’re just securing a different niche market. In other words, both sides can be doing things for financial reasons. We should also be cognizant of this when it comes to liberal or moderate critics of Trump. Just as conservative media profits, literally, from bashing Clinton, liberal media can literally profit from bashing Trump.

    I should also add that a conservative like Evan McMullin might be able to advance his political career, while not doing anything to hurt it (He’s not holding an elected office.).

    Again, I’m not saying this to criticize any of these conservatives. That’s not my intention or point. My point is that the way these individuals profit, financially or politically, should also be kept in mind. I tend not to think that this is their primary motivation, though, and at this point, the well-being of the country depends a lot on conservatives like this.

  2. GOP Setting Table to Fire Rosenstein and/or Undermine Mueller Investigation

    That’s what Greg Sargent claims in his op-ed below. I agree with everything he says. Some House Republicans are asking for James Comey’s memos of his conversations with Trump, ostensibly as an act of oversight over the Mueller investigation. But one has to ask if the Republicans are doing this because they genuinely care about oversight and they have good reasons for wanting this memo. I can’t think of many House Republicans that have acted in good faith so far. See if you find Sargent’s case persuasive below.

  3. How Republicans and Conservative Should Be Responding to Trump

    I have some examples above, but I thought a separate post to collect them would be appropriate. Here’s George Will urging people to vote against GOP this year.

    I liked this line:

    Ryan and many other Republicans have become the president’s poodles, not because James Madison’s system has failed but because today’s abject careerists have failed to be worthy of it.

    7/17/2018

    7/26/2018

    7/31/2018

    Maybe Flake is doing something?

    12/17/2018

    (Comey was a Republican, but I’m not sure if he still is.)

    1. More of this from conservative media pundits and Congressional Republicans could really make a difference. I hope this is the beginning of a new trend.

  4. 9/17/2018

    I agree with the description of the GOP by this former Facebook chief security officer. If the description is accurate, how is this not a betrayal of the country?

    11/7/2018

    I really think more people would have risen up against Trump–or less people would have supported Trumpism–if GOP leaders and Fox News weren’t enabling and supporting Trump.

    12/10/2018

    Thread covering comments from Senator Orrin Hatch:

    Hatch dismisses allegations of Trump crimes over hush money.
    Asked if he had any concerns, Hatch said: “The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president.” Told it was alleged by SDNY, Hatch told me: “Okay but I don’t care; all I can say is he’s doing a good job as President”

    Hatch added this when asked if he was concerned about allegations.
    “No because I don’t think he was involved in crimes but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime under the current laws; if you want to you can blow it way out of proportion you can do a lot of things.”

    Hatch also told me: “President Trump before he became president that’s another world. Since he’s become president this economy has charged ahead. … And I think we ought to judge him on that basis other than trying to drum up things from the past that may or may not be true.”

    Grassley, the Senate Judiciary chairman, similarly dismisses the federal prosecutors’ argument: “They based it on what a liar says, so it hurts the credibility of it.”

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